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your mother and father I've gone away to

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walk aboard an alien spaceship is

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reoccurring dreams assured a 42 month

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interstellar voyage to explore the vast

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universe then return I'm leaving behind

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all my possessions to you is I will no

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longer require the use of any please use

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the instructions in my will as a guide

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to help love Granger this is somewhere

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welcome to somewhere in the skies I'm

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your host Ryan Sprague and the letter

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that you heard read at the top of this

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episode was left for the parents of

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Granger Taylor Granger was 32 years old

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and still lived with his parents he

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dropped out of school in the eighth

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grade but he was a mechanical genius he

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found an abandoned and locomotive in the

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forest and restored it to its former

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glory the province of British Columbia

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purchased the steam engine for tour and

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display he also purchased and restored a

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vintage Kitty Hawk warplane which sold

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for over $20,000 in 1981 the Granger

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eventually grew bored of earthly engines

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and shifted his focus to UFOs he built a

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flying saucer replica from scrap metal

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and spent hours in the ship obsessing

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over the mechanics of an interstellar

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travel he read hundreds of books and

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papers on UFO encounters and space

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travel a Granger came to believe that

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he'd been contacted telepathically by

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extraterrestrials

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he talked frequently with his friends

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and family about these communications

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even explaining he'd been invited to go

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on an interstellar voyage at the end of

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the month

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his friends later said they thought he

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was talking about a series of dreams he

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had had but on the evening of November

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28th 1989 force winds ripped through

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Vancouver Island Granger in his 1972

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pickup truck or gone the following

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morning all that remained was the letter

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he'd left for his parents along with all

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his possessions and life savings despite

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many searches

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he's never been found

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did he drive into the wilderness and

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commit suicide

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was he swept away in his truck by the

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horrible storm that night or did he

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leave on an interstellar voyage today I

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talked with Tyler Hooper Hooper is a

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freelance reporter and journalist his

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article on the Granger Taylor case

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inspired a brand new documentary titled

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spaceman

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currently available through the CBC in

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Canada Hooper runs us through the entire

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string of events that led to Granger's

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disappearance who Granger was through

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the eyes and hearts of his friends and

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family and the truths we tell ourselves

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in the myths of the harder truths right

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in front of our eyes here's our

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conversation with Tyler Hooper

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Tyler thank you so much for joining me

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today on somewhere in the skies yeah no

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problem thanks for having me I really

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appreciate it

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absolutely man so I I recently watched a

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documentary called spaceman because I

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literally consume anything having to do

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with UFOs

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you know alien contact and I came across

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a documentary that you were in being one

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of the lead reporters on the case we're

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going to talk about today and we're

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gonna be talking about Granger Taylor

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and what happened to him but before we

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we kind of get to that could you maybe

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tell us a little about yourself like

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what kind of work you do where you're

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located and yeah why we're gonna be

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talking to you today yeah so my name is

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Tyler and I'm located in beautiful

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British Columbia up in Canada on the

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west coast I'm actually on Vancouver

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your us audience a little bit of a

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reference point in a in a decently sized

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smaller city called Victoria BC kind of

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a southern point of Vancouver Island

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greener Taylor actually only lived about

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an hour of a wet our ways so that's kind

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of how I found out about the story but

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yeah I I'm a freelance writer and

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journalist I have a day job in

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government but as much as I can I try

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and write about stories that interest me

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I like to write feature stories and

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really sink my teeth into something so

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I've written about six or seven features

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for advise Canada and vice us now I've

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done a little bit of work with the CBC

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as you mentioned in the introduction and

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a few other outlets so I guess that

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probably succinctly describes my side

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hustle yeah absolutely we all have the

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side hustle and you know yours

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ultimately led to this awesome

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documentary so I guess my question for

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up in proximity to him have you heard

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about this story before you really

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started digging into it what what

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prompted you to want to write about it

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before we we really get into what it is

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yeah absolutely so I guess I should have

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no I better talk manager document

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actually originally from Ontario which

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isn't actually that far from New York I

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moved up to the west coast about five

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years ago so I I had no idea you know of

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a Granger or thing really Bank Hoover

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Island or anything that was going on out

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here until I moved out here about four

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to Vancouver Island and honestly it's a

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really weird story how I found out about

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Grainger I was literally working at a TV

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company at the time and it was a really

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slow rainy day nothing going on and I

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was literally sitting at my computer

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just kind of sneakily looking for my

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next side project like just grout

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browsing Google and trying to find you

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know if there's any cool misters on on

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Vancouver Island so I was literally just

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doing like Google searches of you know

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mysterious people on Vancouver Island

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and things of that nature and I stumbled

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across this blog called mysterious

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universe and it had this story about

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this guy named Granger Taylor and how he

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may have gone to space and you know all

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of the all of the kind of color around

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his disappearance and I was blown away

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at first I thought this isn't real like

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this has to be made up or is this some

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sort of folklore and I decided to look

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into it and I eventually ended up

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getting in touch with some of his family

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and friends and found out that this was

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actually real and then from there I was

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just I was just hooked you know it's now

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it's been almost I'm gonna say it's

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almost been four years that I've been in

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and out of Granger's story and his life

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to some degree so uh yeah it kind of

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pulls you in once you find out about

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Granger and it hadn't really been

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covered before so I was really excited

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to try and bring some some levity to the

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story absolutely I mean when I when I

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saw the documentary and then eventually

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found your work I mean it was very hard

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to find anything else about all of this

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maybe some you know really obscure UFO

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websites back in the Angelfire days or

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what not

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exactly but yeah when I saw that you'd

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written for Vice and for the CBC as well

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I was like alright this this is this is

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legit like this isn't some folkloric UFO

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tell it was serious and that's when when

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I found out about the documentary the

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CBC actually did a documentary about

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this so before we get to the story of

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Granger Taylor how did the documentary

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come about if I can ask yeah of course

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so yeah I guess I should have ended that

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last answer what's saying yeah I did it

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ended up pitching the Granger story

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device okay and it was my second feature

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that I was doing for them so I was still

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pretty green as a writer as well so you

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know it was really exciting to find what

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I thought at the time was such a big

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story and as I pitched the device they

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said absolutely like you know if you can

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actually pull that off at the end

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amazing so I spent about six months or

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so maybe a little last interview family

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and friends the bicycle came out I

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believe I want to say it was June of

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then for awhile after the article came

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out I got some very general feedback and

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you know a lot of people seemed really

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happy with the story and it kind of

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disappeared for off my radar for a while

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and went off and did a few other pieces

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for Vice that were kind of unrelated and

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then slowly over time I kept having

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people contact me buck Ranger and his

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story and there was a few other things

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that almost panda before the CBC dog but

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they kind of fell apart or I never

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really heard back from the people so

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honestly when CBC and actually wasn't

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CBC you got in touch with me it was a

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production company based out of Toronto

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who said they were pinching the Granger

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story to CBC but they were going to

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produce it and again I was pretty

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skeptical at first only because it had

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happened a couple times before it had

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completely fallen through so this was

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probably March of last year I believe

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quickly I can I stayed in touch with

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these people at a production company in

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Toronto and they eventually just brought

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me on board and we we started shooting

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it in for ten days in I think was early

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block on October and it came out in

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I've never been apart yeah I never been

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a part of such a project so it was

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amazing like all the prep work they did

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from March until August was was really

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really impressive but yeah I just kind

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of happen out of the blue I got an email

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and then a few Skype calls with people

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and then before I knew it I was you know

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booking time off to go and travel these

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people to Duncan to shoot this thing Wow

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yeah I mean I can relate man I just had

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a TV special air not too long ago on the

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Roswell UFO incident and it all happened

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within like a month and it was a

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whirlwind I I'm sitting here today being

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like wait did that actually happen like

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where did where did I where did my mind

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and body go for those last five days so

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clear that they did their research and

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they used a lot of what what you had

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brought to the table so I gotta ask you

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kind of as the I would say the majors

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on this what is the story of Granger

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Taylor if you could maybe give us kind

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of the brief summary of who this guy was

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what happened and yeah yeah I'll let you

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paint that picture for us absolutely a

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lot of surface grader Taylor is the

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story of a master mechanic in my eyes he

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went missing on the evening of November

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29th 1980 living a very mysterious note

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to his parents basically saying that he

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was going on this 42 month interstellar

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voyage and that he would be back at some

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point but he no longer needed his

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possessions and please use the

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instructions in my will as a guide to

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help very bizarre sort of note he Co was

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missing he last seen that night around

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I think it's Bob's grill or some sort of

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diner and Duncan and then his pink

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pepto-bismol truck and him disappear six

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months later our sorted out six months

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six years later in 1986 a logging crew

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finds his truck blown up on a nearby

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mountain there's some debate over

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whether it's not sick or a mount Provo

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but they're very close to each other so

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it's somewhere in that region not very

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far actually from his family home and

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they're able to confirm that the VIN

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number matches truck but everything else

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they find at the scene is kind of

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circumstantial if you find some bones

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but there was no DNA testing back in

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1986 or or if there was it was only only

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being started to use in bigger markets

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like London and New York it hadn't

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reached a little Vancouver Island yet as

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far as I know and those bone fragments

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have since disappeared or they're

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sitting in a storage locker evidence

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Locker somewhere that no one seems to

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know where but it's basically that's

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that's the surface of the story you know

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as I mentioned he was a master mechanic

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who dragged a locomotive out of the

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woods and and restored it to to it

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actually working and him driving it up

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and down his property on railroad tracks

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he basically took this like Pete what

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it's like a p90 or p40 Kittyhawk

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airplane world war ii fighter and like i

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think basically with just a fuselage

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build the whole thing almost to scale

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and it actually allegedly was

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able to fly a little bit and and then

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obviously is kind of I guess what a lot

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of people consider his masterpiece or

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his last big project was the spaceship

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he built in the backyard of his parents

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house where I guess the front yard

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technically basically just using two big

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radio or satellite dishes and welding

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them together to create the spherical

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spaceship you can see it pictures of it

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I believe in the CBC documentary as well

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as in my vice article but really

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impressive eccentric kind of guy really

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quiet and shy you know not really

329
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particularly crazily outgoing but but I

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think it in short the story really lies

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in his disappearance but I think as I

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started to dig beneath the surface of

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the story I started to see this picture

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of this really potentially troubled and

335
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interesting character yeah and I

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definitely want to touch on that you

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know that's the troubled aspect you know

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I mean we can't really understand

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unfortunately Granger at this point and

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his mental health state because he's

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gone but that being said like you guys

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were able to speak to a lot of family

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members and and friends one of his

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really close friends as well and it's

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funny the images of the the flying

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saucer or the spacecraft that he created

347
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I've seen those around for years and

348
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years and I never knew who made it what

349
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it was connected to and then when I

350
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finally find out that this was the case

351
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it was connected to it just made it all

352
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that more interesting to me so okay so

353
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November 29 1980 this is the night when

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Granger was said to have disappeared and

355
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you said that's kind of like the big

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part of all this so can you paint us a

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picture of what happened on the night of

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November 29th so there's a lot of a lot

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of what I will say is conjecture to a

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lot of people because there are little

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there are some facts that we we can kind

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of attribute and say maybe you know 90

363
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to 95 percent they happen but there's a

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lot of conflicting testimony from

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friends and family on what happened that

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night but from what we from what I know

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and I'm pretty sure certain is that at

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some point around 6:00 5:30 6:00 dinner

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time ish he

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he went to this diner and hung out with

371
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some people and people saw him there

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Bob's grill and then he kind of took off

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some claim that night that there was a

374
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really violent storm happening some

375
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people like swear by it that it's

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ingrained in their brain because of how

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violent it was some of them other

378
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reports I looked at have suggested

379
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otherwise but it's really hard to know

380
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exactly what was going on that night

381
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other people say that Granger went and

382
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visited some family and friends and and

383
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said some really mysterious things that

384
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he was leaving on an interstellar voyage

385
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and you know you're looking after my

386
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stuff I said his goodbyes to some people

387
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and then just kind of fled no one really

388
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knew where he was going or what he was

389
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doing I don't think everyone took them

390
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that seriously because Granger was

391
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always kind of Optus and bizarre stuff

392
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right like somebody's gonna go into the

393
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woods and pull a train out and do all

394
00:16:03,470 --> 00:16:01,710
this sort of stuff like he was always

395
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being a little eccentric in that way so

396
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I don't think too many people thought

397
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much of it until I believe it was that

398
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night or the following morning that his

399
00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:11,910
parents became concerned and they

400
00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:13,770
started circuit for Granger and once

401
00:16:16,940 --> 00:16:14,970
they couldn't find this bright pink

402
00:16:18,710 --> 00:16:16,950
truck it became really worried and then

403
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I believe at some point over those next

404
00:16:22,700 --> 00:16:20,100
few days of those next few hours they

405
00:16:23,930 --> 00:16:22,710
filed a police report and the RCMP the

406
00:16:26,060 --> 00:16:23,940
Royal Canadian Mounted Police got

407
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involved in a search for him but they

408
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but from the police reports which is

409
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almost illegible because it's all

410
00:16:34,460 --> 00:16:32,220
handwritten but from what you can gather

411
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from it it doesn't sound like there's

412
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what they're really sure what Granger

413
00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:37,230
was doing that night he visited some

414
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places and that was some people but

415
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really nothing was a ordinary other than

416
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potentially one visit he had with with

417
00:16:47,660 --> 00:16:45,960
one of his friends where he kind of told

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him that he was saying goodbye but but

419
00:16:51,500 --> 00:16:49,440
again you know that's one person's

420
00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:51,510
memory and and I can't confirm it happen

421
00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:53,250
as they say it did but it sounds like

422
00:16:57,260 --> 00:16:55,170
it's pretty probable that he was saying

423
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his goodbyes one of the stranger things

424
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I'm leading up to that night is I like

425
00:17:02,030 --> 00:16:59,850
when I first started looking at the

426
00:17:03,050 --> 00:17:02,040
story and you just hear what I just kind

427
00:17:04,970 --> 00:17:03,060
of said you're like oh this sounds very

428
00:17:07,550 --> 00:17:04,980
spur-of-the-moment like he kind of DB

429
00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:07,560
decided to do this that day but the

430
00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:08,970
weird part is is when you go back and

431
00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:10,410
look at what he wrote as well and when

432
00:17:13,670 --> 00:17:12,450
he crossed out the word I think it was

433
00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:13,680
like dead and he wrote departed or

434
00:17:19,250 --> 00:17:16,050
something like that it was like six

435
00:17:21,350 --> 00:17:19,260
months previous so that tells me that

436
00:17:23,689 --> 00:17:21,360
Granger had been thinking about leaving

437
00:17:25,189 --> 00:17:23,699
and one way or another for a little

438
00:17:27,199 --> 00:17:25,199
while and

439
00:17:31,519 --> 00:17:27,209
don't know why he decided to pick that

440
00:17:33,019 --> 00:17:31,529
night but he did and no one ever well no

441
00:17:36,529 --> 00:17:33,029
one has ever publicly said they've seen

442
00:17:40,220 --> 00:17:36,539
him again interesting so this all was

443
00:17:42,139 --> 00:17:40,230
probably planned in a way I think so I I

444
00:17:44,149 --> 00:17:42,149
I find a hard time now when I first

445
00:17:46,370 --> 00:17:44,159
worked the Vice article you know I did I

446
00:17:49,129 --> 00:17:46,380
did I did an okay job of digging into

447
00:17:50,779 --> 00:17:49,139
the story but it wasn't until the CBC

448
00:17:52,430 --> 00:17:50,789
Doc's started happening and I really

449
00:17:53,810 --> 00:17:52,440
kind of got back into it then I really

450
00:17:56,269 --> 00:17:53,820
started to change a lot of my thoughts

451
00:17:58,430 --> 00:17:56,279
on what happened to Granger and I think

452
00:18:01,490 --> 00:17:58,440
he did plan it and that is kind of when

453
00:18:04,430 --> 00:18:01,500
I personally felt and saw this

454
00:18:06,230 --> 00:18:04,440
underlying layer in Granger that was

455
00:18:08,090 --> 00:18:06,240
maybe a little troubled or maybe a

456
00:18:10,100 --> 00:18:08,100
little bit of a misfit

457
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I got a tinge of that the first time

458
00:18:14,659 --> 00:18:11,820
around but I was really focused kind of

459
00:18:16,220 --> 00:18:14,669
on the UFO alien aspect because you know

460
00:18:18,289 --> 00:18:16,230
I think that's what my readers wanted to

461
00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:18,299
read that was the most interesting part

462
00:18:22,220 --> 00:18:20,250
of the story but as I kind of went

463
00:18:23,769 --> 00:18:22,230
around the second time with Granger and

464
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I was really looking into his story

465
00:18:29,299 --> 00:18:26,399
there was this sense that he was

466
00:18:31,129 --> 00:18:29,309
planning this maybe in that you know he

467
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was just looking for the right time one

468
00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:33,419
of his good friends Robert Keller who

469
00:18:37,970 --> 00:18:35,450
was in the documentary who's great

470
00:18:41,180 --> 00:18:37,980
really really really knew Granger who

471
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was really close to him he says and he's

472
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told me both I think he said this on

473
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camera as well but Granger was talking

474
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about you know having communication with

475
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these extraterrestrials and taking off

476
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months before it actually happened so

477
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for him it wasn't really all that

478
00:18:57,470 --> 00:18:55,049
surprising I mean it was sad and it

479
00:18:59,509 --> 00:18:57,480
crushed him but I think Robert kind of

480
00:19:01,639 --> 00:18:59,519
expected it to happen at some point so

481
00:19:03,830 --> 00:19:01,649
that to me also says that you know he

482
00:19:05,210 --> 00:19:03,840
was telling people about this long

483
00:19:07,340 --> 00:19:05,220
before it happened and I think most

484
00:19:08,990 --> 00:19:07,350
people dismissed it as just Granger

485
00:19:10,820 --> 00:19:09,000
being his eccentric self but I think

486
00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:10,830
people like Robert understood that you

487
00:19:13,730 --> 00:19:12,330
know maybe Granger was planning

488
00:19:16,190 --> 00:19:13,740
something and maybe he did think he was

489
00:19:19,039 --> 00:19:16,200
going on an actual voyage yeah and I

490
00:19:22,250 --> 00:19:19,049
mean you know Keller even says you know

491
00:19:25,279 --> 00:19:22,260
I want to go with you man such a good

492
00:19:27,169 --> 00:19:25,289
friend yeah exactly and he wasn't able

493
00:19:29,690 --> 00:19:27,179
to unfortunately you know Granger tells

494
00:19:32,450 --> 00:19:29,700
him you know this is something I got to

495
00:19:34,639 --> 00:19:32,460
do myself so it's it's it's very

496
00:19:37,369 --> 00:19:34,649
interesting you know it's heartbreaking

497
00:19:38,290 --> 00:19:37,379
in a way his best friend in this having

498
00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:38,300
to relive the

499
00:19:44,140 --> 00:19:41,330
through the documentary and and maybe

500
00:19:47,860 --> 00:19:44,150
find some truths that that he didn't

501
00:19:49,870 --> 00:19:47,870
want to believe either but um like you

502
00:19:52,540 --> 00:19:49,880
said the more you dug into this the more

503
00:19:56,050 --> 00:19:52,550
troubled it seems that that Granger may

504
00:19:59,440 --> 00:19:56,060
have been and you know we learned that

505
00:20:02,950 --> 00:19:59,450
maybe he had some problems with maybe

506
00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:02,960
depression or or drugs or any stuff like

507
00:20:09,550 --> 00:20:05,810
that did you come across any of that in

508
00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:09,560
your own research yeah absolutely and

509
00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:12,050
it's very controversial the family is

510
00:20:17,140 --> 00:20:14,690
obviously very sensitive about the whole

511
00:20:19,330 --> 00:20:17,150
of the whole drug angle but from someone

512
00:20:21,610 --> 00:20:19,340
who was outside of that and emotionally

513
00:20:23,410 --> 00:20:21,620
kind of detached from that and was more

514
00:20:25,420 --> 00:20:23,420
looking at the evidence it looks like

515
00:20:28,030 --> 00:20:25,430
well to start with the mental health

516
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:28,040
aspect the family that I talk to you

517
00:20:31,870 --> 00:20:30,410
seem to agree that um Mike Granger's

518
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:31,880
family did suffer with certainly

519
00:20:36,010 --> 00:20:34,250
depression at times I think it's pretty

520
00:20:37,510 --> 00:20:36,020
fair to say that Granger behaved in a

521
00:20:39,910 --> 00:20:37,520
pretty depressing boy at times just

522
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:39,920
giving friends and accounts of some of

523
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:42,290
the interactions they had beyond that

524
00:20:45,610 --> 00:20:43,490
like I don't think you know I never

525
00:20:47,050 --> 00:20:45,620
heard of Greene or having a temper or

526
00:20:48,700 --> 00:20:47,060
anything like that but it did sound like

527
00:20:51,970 --> 00:20:48,710
he could be pretty withdrawn and pre

528
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:51,980
melancholy to the drugs angle it sounds

529
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:53,690
like it's pretty certain I think that he

530
00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:55,490
smoked a lot of pot I mean Robert Keller

531
00:20:58,870 --> 00:20:57,170
talks openly about him and Granger

532
00:21:01,750 --> 00:20:58,880
getting in that spaceship and basically

533
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:01,760
hotboxing it and just like watching you

534
00:21:05,170 --> 00:21:03,410
know just watching movies in there or

535
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:05,180
reading books and magazines and talking

536
00:21:08,050 --> 00:21:07,010
about space and you know and just just

537
00:21:09,580 --> 00:21:08,060
doing what people did before the

538
00:21:11,740 --> 00:21:09,590
Internet you know actually hanging out

539
00:21:14,140 --> 00:21:11,750
and and you know just talking about

540
00:21:16,300 --> 00:21:14,150
stuff and you know hanging out that's

541
00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:16,310
that's what people did right it's also

542
00:21:22,330 --> 00:21:19,370
alleged that he was maybe taking acid

543
00:21:24,580 --> 00:21:22,340
there is a letter actually that was

544
00:21:26,380 --> 00:21:24,590
written by the eCos Granger's cousin

545
00:21:28,150 --> 00:21:26,390
that kind of says you know Granger and

546
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:28,160
bunch of friends were dropping acid last

547
00:21:31,870 --> 00:21:30,410
summer no bad trips but you know they

548
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:31,880
did do it quite a bit or something to

549
00:21:35,620 --> 00:21:33,890
that extent so that's you know to me

550
00:21:38,260 --> 00:21:35,630
that was like a primary document you

551
00:21:40,210 --> 00:21:38,270
know that you know documents Granger

552
00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:40,220
allegedly doing acid he was representing

553
00:21:43,300 --> 00:21:41,450
he was doing other drugs as well but

554
00:21:44,260 --> 00:21:43,310
I don't know like that stuff is I don't

555
00:21:46,060 --> 00:21:44,270
really want to go into it too much just

556
00:21:48,790 --> 00:21:46,070
because I don't think it holds a lot of

557
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:48,800
weight and I think I think if anything

558
00:21:52,090 --> 00:21:50,690
given the circumstances like Grainger

559
00:21:53,410 --> 00:21:52,100
telling his neighbors that he was

560
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:53,420
getting you know interstellar

561
00:21:57,310 --> 00:21:55,490
communications with somebody else in

562
00:22:00,340 --> 00:21:57,320
another galaxy that sounds to me like

563
00:22:02,740 --> 00:22:00,350
maybe a psychedelic experience or

564
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:02,750
interpretation of his reality maybe

565
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:05,570
mixed with a mental health episode you

566
00:22:10,390 --> 00:22:08,240
know it's it's hard to really say cuz

567
00:22:11,770 --> 00:22:10,400
like you said we we can't sit Grainger

568
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:11,780
down today and ask him about it because

569
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:14,450
no one knows where he is it's kinda it's

570
00:22:17,530 --> 00:22:16,010
all conjecture but at the same time who

571
00:22:18,970 --> 00:22:17,540
I think it is important to bring those

572
00:22:20,860 --> 00:22:18,980
subjects up when talking about his

573
00:22:22,510 --> 00:22:20,870
disappearance because I think both if

574
00:22:24,430 --> 00:22:22,520
not one of them certainly played a

575
00:22:29,130 --> 00:22:24,440
factor in in his belief that he thought

576
00:22:33,940 --> 00:22:31,990
do you enjoy true stories of the

577
00:22:36,580 --> 00:22:33,950
supernatural from the people who

578
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:36,590
experienced it well then you might like

579
00:22:42,730 --> 00:22:39,770
my show Jim Harold's campfire hi i'm jim

580
00:22:45,430 --> 00:22:42,740
and we've been doing the show since 2009

581
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:45,440
and we talked about ghosts cryptic

582
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:48,410
creatures ufos head scratchers you name

583
00:22:52,690 --> 00:22:50,330
it and you tune in you might hear a

584
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:52,700
story like this one and as he was

585
00:22:59,470 --> 00:22:56,000
driving home he encountered a shadow

586
00:23:02,800 --> 00:22:59,480
person who seemed to be dressed like a

587
00:23:05,770 --> 00:23:02,810
monk I know that sounds very strange but

588
00:23:08,910 --> 00:23:05,780
it was a solid black form and it was

589
00:23:13,540 --> 00:23:08,920
wearing a hooded cloak tied at the waist

590
00:23:17,410 --> 00:23:13,550
with the cloak up and it had glowing red

591
00:23:21,460 --> 00:23:17,420
eyes he sees this thing coming out of a

592
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:21,470
really teeny abandoned Cemetery if you

593
00:23:25,690 --> 00:23:23,210
haven't tuned in I hope you'll check us

594
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out you can find us on Apple podcasts

595
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Spotify and wherever podcasts are heard

596
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it's Jim Harold's campfire and you can

597
00:23:38,650 --> 00:23:34,040
find it at Jim Harold calm thanks so

598
00:23:43,090 --> 00:23:40,690
we run across this a lot in the

599
00:23:45,930 --> 00:23:43,100
quote-unquote UFO field the whole

600
00:23:48,610 --> 00:23:45,940
abduction phenomenon and contactee

601
00:23:53,140 --> 00:23:48,620
phenomenon is these these individuals

602
00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:53,150
who claim to get messages from et or to

603
00:23:58,539 --> 00:23:55,520
have make contact with them and it's

604
00:24:01,000 --> 00:23:58,549
always this message of oh well I I have

605
00:24:02,830 --> 00:24:01,010
a purpose I have this sense of meaning

606
00:24:05,260 --> 00:24:02,840
to these beings and that's why they're

607
00:24:05,770 --> 00:24:05,270
communicating with me so you have to

608
00:24:08,980 --> 00:24:05,780
wonder

609
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:08,990
someone like Granger who seemed like

610
00:24:16,029 --> 00:24:13,090
unfortunately kind of a lonely dude and

611
00:24:19,149 --> 00:24:16,039
was this his way of coping with that

612
00:24:20,770 --> 00:24:19,159
loneliness you have to wonder I think I

613
00:24:23,169 --> 00:24:20,780
think I think there is something to that

614
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:23,179
I also think the more I dug into it I

615
00:24:27,250 --> 00:24:25,010
think Granger also was just like kind of

616
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:27,260
an obsessive person and that you know

617
00:24:30,039 --> 00:24:28,970
like I think you have to be like if

618
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:30,049
you're gonna Haul if you're gonna commit

619
00:24:34,930 --> 00:24:32,450
to hauling a locomotive out of the woods

620
00:24:37,899 --> 00:24:34,940
like literally finding an old logging

621
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:37,909
train that is not working and like feel

622
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:39,530
basically welding of this big truck

623
00:24:42,430 --> 00:24:40,850
together so you can even pull this

624
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:42,440
locomotive oh it's like that's that's

625
00:24:45,310 --> 00:24:44,000
obsessive project like there's no way

626
00:24:47,049 --> 00:24:45,320
you're gonna give that done unless you

627
00:24:49,659 --> 00:24:47,059
obsess about and I think he certainly

628
00:24:51,460 --> 00:24:49,669
did that with the train even his first

629
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:51,470
single cylinder car that he built when

630
00:24:54,190 --> 00:24:52,880
he was younger when he's a teenager and

631
00:24:55,899 --> 00:24:54,200
then the Kitty Hawk and then the

632
00:24:57,580 --> 00:24:55,909
spaceships so I think it was just part

633
00:25:00,190 --> 00:24:57,590
of Granger's personality to get a little

634
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:00,200
obsessive and I think with the with the

635
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:01,850
spaceship I think that was the beginning

636
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:05,090
of this obsession or I was kind of even

637
00:25:09,130 --> 00:25:07,250
the climax of his of his his obsession

638
00:25:10,570 --> 00:25:09,140
with UFOs and aliens and you gotta

639
00:25:11,830 --> 00:25:10,580
remember too and I'm sure your listeners

640
00:25:14,020 --> 00:25:11,840
know this because they're they're big

641
00:25:15,610 --> 00:25:14,030
fans of this stuff but in the 60s and

642
00:25:18,010 --> 00:25:15,620
70s when Granger was in his formative

643
00:25:20,169 --> 00:25:18,020
years you know this stuff was huge in

644
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:20,179
pop culture O'Reilly movies are coming

645
00:25:24,190 --> 00:25:21,650
out Close Encounters of the Third Kind

646
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:24,200
Star Wars Star Trek all of these on you

647
00:25:28,899 --> 00:25:26,960
know the Roswell you know the famous

648
00:25:30,580 --> 00:25:28,909
Roswell incident happens around that

649
00:25:33,549 --> 00:25:30,590
time and all these other sightings and

650
00:25:34,990 --> 00:25:33,559
alleged abductions so you know without

651
00:25:37,419 --> 00:25:35,000
the internet I think it would have been

652
00:25:40,060 --> 00:25:37,429
really exciting to see this stuff in

653
00:25:41,380 --> 00:25:40,070
magazines and on TV and you know if

654
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:41,390
you're a smoking pot and hang out with

655
00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:43,250
your body is like that's that's one way

656
00:25:46,780 --> 00:25:44,809
to kind of I think really get into that

657
00:25:49,030 --> 00:25:46,790
world and then I like I said I don't

658
00:25:51,950 --> 00:25:49,040
know I think something switched in

659
00:25:52,940 --> 00:25:51,960
Granger you know with this whole the

660
00:25:55,550 --> 00:25:52,950
whole notion of him being able to

661
00:25:57,290 --> 00:25:55,560
communicate with another galaxy whether

662
00:25:59,390 --> 00:25:57,300
that was drugs mental health or maybe it

663
00:26:01,160 --> 00:25:59,400
was just he just thought he really could

664
00:26:03,500 --> 00:26:01,170
I mean that's another option right like

665
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:03,510
maybe he just really thought that he

666
00:26:07,220 --> 00:26:05,850
could cope or he could talk to someone

667
00:26:08,780 --> 00:26:07,230
in another galaxy and maybe that was

668
00:26:11,450 --> 00:26:08,790
part of coping with his loneliness right

669
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:11,460
I'm having that output so that's totally

670
00:26:17,180 --> 00:26:14,400
a possibility as well and I think it is

671
00:26:18,650 --> 00:26:17,190
kind of sad I also think I think Granger

672
00:26:20,150 --> 00:26:18,660
like going back to like the fitting in

673
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:20,160
thing I don't think he really did fit in

674
00:26:23,420 --> 00:26:22,050
I mean he certainly had friends and he

675
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:23,430
had people come over and people are

676
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:24,930
always envious of the projects he was

677
00:26:28,370 --> 00:26:26,400
working on neighbors in the community

678
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:28,380
and he was definitely a character in his

679
00:26:31,970 --> 00:26:29,850
community so it wasn't like he was a

680
00:26:33,380 --> 00:26:31,980
complete hermit even though when he was

681
00:26:35,150 --> 00:26:33,390
working on his projects he certainly

682
00:26:37,070 --> 00:26:35,160
would basically just whole lot but his

683
00:26:39,410 --> 00:26:37,080
parents house they have a beautiful huge

684
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:39,420
property that's still there to this day

685
00:26:44,780 --> 00:26:41,610
that has tons of space to work on these

686
00:26:45,890 --> 00:26:44,790
massive projects and you know what I

687
00:26:47,870 --> 00:26:45,900
think he was a bit of an oddball you

688
00:26:49,790 --> 00:26:47,880
know and he paid his truck pepto-bismol

689
00:26:51,140 --> 00:26:49,800
pink and drove it around town and you

690
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:51,150
know people would you know kind of make

691
00:26:55,090 --> 00:26:52,650
comments and make fun of em sometimes

692
00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:55,100
and I think I think there was a feeling

693
00:26:58,670 --> 00:26:57,600
for Granger that he didn't quite fit in

694
00:27:01,580 --> 00:26:58,680
and him in this is a really

695
00:27:03,020 --> 00:27:01,590
working-class town at the time too that

696
00:27:06,620 --> 00:27:03,030
you know probably wouldn't have been all

697
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:06,630
that forgiving or not forgiving but all

698
00:27:10,340 --> 00:27:08,250
that accepting of someone really really

699
00:27:12,380 --> 00:27:10,350
different not to not to stereotype too

700
00:27:14,450 --> 00:27:12,390
much but I think it's fair to say that

701
00:27:16,610 --> 00:27:14,460
you know not everyone would have been a

702
00:27:19,250 --> 00:27:16,620
fan of Granger's centricity is

703
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:19,260
essentially right and you know it's

704
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:21,120
interesting in the documentary at least

705
00:27:25,250 --> 00:27:23,250
you you get a sense of that from the

706
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:25,260
locals in the town you know asking them

707
00:27:29,210 --> 00:27:27,120
what do you think a Granger in these

708
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:29,220
stories and it really ran the gamut some

709
00:27:32,510 --> 00:27:31,170
people thought he was nuts some people

710
00:27:35,210 --> 00:27:32,520
are like oh I totally believe he

711
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:35,220
probably went out into space like if

712
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:37,290
anyone was to be chosen to do that this

713
00:27:43,130 --> 00:27:39,810
would be the guy he was a engineering

714
00:27:48,290 --> 00:27:43,140
genius as it were so yeah it is

715
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:48,300
interesting this kind of mythos he maybe

716
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:50,730
didn't even purposefully try to do the

717
00:27:56,510 --> 00:27:52,890
Smith OC created around himself in the

718
00:27:58,640 --> 00:27:56,520
town and maybe the more the deeper he

719
00:28:01,340 --> 00:27:58,650
got the the more pressure he felt till I

720
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:01,350
do something completely you know

721
00:28:06,450 --> 00:28:04,210
paradigm shifting who knows really

722
00:28:07,770 --> 00:28:06,460
absolutely I agree I think you know like

723
00:28:09,450 --> 00:28:07,780
you said the interviews in the

724
00:28:12,270 --> 00:28:09,460
documentary what those local people

725
00:28:13,950 --> 00:28:12,280
really kind of summarize the the pull of

726
00:28:15,690 --> 00:28:13,960
the the kind of the bipolarity that come

727
00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:15,700
with Granger's story and that like some

728
00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:16,960
people think he was a mechanical genius

729
00:28:20,370 --> 00:28:18,130
and other people thought he was

730
00:28:22,110 --> 00:28:20,380
absolutely nuts and I'm sure there's

731
00:28:23,490 --> 00:28:22,120
some people who think he was somewhere

732
00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:23,500
in between and I'm kind of on that boat

733
00:28:28,790 --> 00:28:26,110
as well so yeah it's really really

734
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:28,800
fascinating the polarity surrounding his

735
00:28:33,510 --> 00:28:31,690
just just his his mythos like you said

736
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:33,520
it is really fascinating so I mean in

737
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:36,850
terms of okay the the theories on what

738
00:28:41,940 --> 00:28:39,850
happened to him what were some of them

739
00:28:44,190 --> 00:28:41,950
like the big ones you came across Tyler

740
00:28:45,690 --> 00:28:44,200
the biggest theories that I came across

741
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:45,700
that are kind of worth discussing in

742
00:28:50,700 --> 00:28:48,610
detail I think the first one that gets

743
00:28:53,610 --> 00:28:50,710
you hooked on the story is this idea

744
00:28:56,090 --> 00:28:53,620
that he did go to space and you know I

745
00:28:58,650 --> 00:28:56,100
kind of in my c.b.c piece which is not a

746
00:29:00,240 --> 00:28:58,660
as the comments would have it is not an

747
00:29:02,700 --> 00:29:00,250
investigative piece it's just a blog

748
00:29:05,250 --> 00:29:02,710
post that I was asked to write as kind

749
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:05,260
of a like what were my thoughts on you

750
00:29:09,030 --> 00:29:06,850
know Granger Taylor after having done

751
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:09,040
all this work with on him and basically

752
00:29:13,230 --> 00:29:10,570
I kind of summarized it being as like

753
00:29:15,810 --> 00:29:13,240
you know it could have been you know it

754
00:29:18,060 --> 00:29:15,820
could have been probably suicide like I

755
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:18,070
think the note to his parents can be

756
00:29:23,610 --> 00:29:21,610
interpreted as a suicide note just in in

757
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:23,620
the way it's worried if you read it a

758
00:29:27,090 --> 00:29:25,090
few times there's this sense that he's

759
00:29:29,310 --> 00:29:27,100
not coming back but he's trying to give

760
00:29:30,930 --> 00:29:29,320
leave hope that he might and then you

761
00:29:32,850 --> 00:29:30,940
can you know you could split that theory

762
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:32,860
into two branches one saying he knew

763
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:34,090
what he was doing and you know he

764
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:35,770
decided that enough was enough and that

765
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:37,930
he was gonna maybe try to go to space in

766
00:29:43,020 --> 00:29:39,970
his own waste to find the better reality

767
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:43,030
or maybe he was in some mental health

768
00:29:48,060 --> 00:29:45,610
crisis mixed with some drugs and drug

769
00:29:49,290 --> 00:29:48,070
psychosis that made and really believed

770
00:29:51,420 --> 00:29:49,300
that he was going to go and blow his

771
00:29:54,390 --> 00:29:51,430
truck up and and go on this air stellar

772
00:29:56,970 --> 00:29:54,400
voyage but but killing himself in the

773
00:29:59,910 --> 00:29:56,980
process so those are two predominant

774
00:30:01,320 --> 00:29:59,920
theories I mean especially given the the

775
00:30:03,390 --> 00:30:01,330
truck I mean the night that he went

776
00:30:05,010 --> 00:30:03,400
missing a bunch of dynamite was missing

777
00:30:06,540 --> 00:30:05,020
from the family property and it's not it

778
00:30:09,300 --> 00:30:06,550
wasn't unusual for the family to have

779
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:09,310
dynamite because back then in a really

780
00:30:12,030 --> 00:30:10,810
rural setting that's how you would blow

781
00:30:15,180 --> 00:30:12,040
up tree stumps and that's how you would

782
00:30:16,940 --> 00:30:15,190
clear really difficult areas for you

783
00:30:18,770 --> 00:30:16,950
know farming or whatever

784
00:30:20,270 --> 00:30:18,780
and Granger Granger used this stuff all

785
00:30:22,130 --> 00:30:20,280
the time and apparently he was very good

786
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:22,140
with it so he knew how to handle it knew

787
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:24,720
how to use it you know it wasn't like he

788
00:30:27,799 --> 00:30:26,010
he would have taken a bunch of dynamite

789
00:30:29,419 --> 00:30:27,809
I mean it could have accidentally gone

790
00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:29,429
off I mean he did go up on a really

791
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:31,110
rough logging road on a night that was

792
00:30:37,549 --> 00:30:34,320
allegedly really stormy so I mean wet

793
00:30:39,410 --> 00:30:37,559
dynamite is really unstable so you know

794
00:30:40,970 --> 00:30:39,420
that could have happened but from the

795
00:30:42,350 --> 00:30:40,980
sounds of it the way the truck was found

796
00:30:44,419 --> 00:30:42,360
and where it was found in such a remote

797
00:30:47,330 --> 00:30:44,429
area it sounds like the blast was

798
00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:47,340
probably triggered and it pretty much

799
00:30:50,780 --> 00:30:49,049
demolished the car like there was

800
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:50,790
basically a lot of the truck sorry the

801
00:30:55,010 --> 00:30:53,250
pickup truck there was basically hardly

802
00:30:57,049 --> 00:30:55,020
anything but the engine block and a few

803
00:31:00,110 --> 00:30:57,059
scraps of metal to really identify the

804
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:00,120
the truck with so I think that's a

805
00:31:03,650 --> 00:31:01,530
pretty prominent theory I think that

806
00:31:05,630 --> 00:31:03,660
going to space one is really interesting

807
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:05,640
and that I think if anyone could do it

808
00:31:10,250 --> 00:31:08,640
after having studied Granger it probably

809
00:31:12,049 --> 00:31:10,260
could have been him I mean I I'll admit

810
00:31:14,180 --> 00:31:12,059
I'm a bit of a skeptic when it comes to

811
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:14,190
that sort of thing but I mean who knows

812
00:31:17,870 --> 00:31:16,080
right no one knows I mean that's why

813
00:31:20,030 --> 00:31:17,880
there are so many books and movies and

814
00:31:21,580 --> 00:31:20,040
podcasts about the about this stuff

815
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:21,590
because we don't really have an answer

816
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:24,240
so I think it's definitely possible I

817
00:31:29,419 --> 00:31:27,210
think other theories that are a little

818
00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:29,429
less credible but are still interesting

819
00:31:33,890 --> 00:31:31,919
one is that apparently he he has a

820
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:33,900
friend who was a pilot and they used to

821
00:31:37,730 --> 00:31:35,370
go flying all the time and they actually

822
00:31:40,190 --> 00:31:37,740
got in a really bad plane crash in the

823
00:31:42,409 --> 00:31:40,200
States they both actually survived and

824
00:31:44,060 --> 00:31:42,419
miraculously but this friend and Rangers

825
00:31:45,380 --> 00:31:44,070
had like what I believe and I'm not I'm

826
00:31:47,090 --> 00:31:45,390
not an aviation expert but I believe it

827
00:31:48,620 --> 00:31:47,100
was like just a little Cessna and they

828
00:31:50,990 --> 00:31:48,630
would they would often go to a like

829
00:31:52,789 --> 00:31:51,000
metal and and trade shows down in the US

830
00:31:54,799 --> 00:31:52,799
but greasier would find you know weird

831
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:54,809
stuff that he could work on or you know

832
00:31:58,250 --> 00:31:57,210
bring back to the property and and him

833
00:32:00,289 --> 00:31:58,260
in the store would fly on and do this

834
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:00,299
and you know there are rumors that maybe

835
00:32:05,270 --> 00:32:02,730
he he took off you know with someone or

836
00:32:06,770 --> 00:32:05,280
by himself to South America or you know

837
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:06,780
somewhere somewhere south you know I

838
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:08,250
don't think Granger was a pilot so I

839
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:09,360
don't know how he would have done that

840
00:32:12,770 --> 00:32:11,010
on his own and his friend that I've

841
00:32:14,390 --> 00:32:12,780
talked to you is never admitted to to

842
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:14,400
helping crazy or leave the country in

843
00:32:18,740 --> 00:32:16,559
any way but people have talked about

844
00:32:20,539 --> 00:32:18,750
that I mean there are even like crazier

845
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:20,549
theories that he was recruited by the

846
00:32:24,260 --> 00:32:22,770
government to work on some special

847
00:32:26,659 --> 00:32:24,270
projects because of his mechanical

848
00:32:28,310 --> 00:32:26,669
genius you know I've seen zero evidence

849
00:32:28,989 --> 00:32:28,320
to support that but I guess if the

850
00:32:30,609 --> 00:32:28,999
government was going

851
00:32:33,489 --> 00:32:30,619
to review they wouldn't leave any

852
00:32:35,409 --> 00:32:33,499
breadcrumbs for a secret project right

853
00:32:36,639 --> 00:32:35,419
so I mean it just depends on how far you

854
00:32:39,029 --> 00:32:36,649
want to go down the rabbit hole I mean

855
00:32:41,829 --> 00:32:39,039
for me and maybe this is like my more

856
00:32:43,989 --> 00:32:41,839
pragmatic and maybe slightly darker

857
00:32:46,479 --> 00:32:43,999
nature but I think it's it's probably

858
00:32:47,919 --> 00:32:46,489
more likely that to some extent Grainger

859
00:32:50,219 --> 00:32:47,929
committed suicide on that mountain

860
00:32:53,199 --> 00:32:50,229
whether he knew what he was doing or not

861
00:32:56,199 --> 00:32:53,209
based on his State of Mind no one will

862
00:32:58,599 --> 00:32:56,209
ever know but it's pretty certain to me

863
00:33:01,329 --> 00:32:58,609
that the likelihood of that being the

864
00:33:03,819 --> 00:33:01,339
number one scenario is pretty likely I

865
00:33:05,409 --> 00:33:03,829
think not to dismiss all the other ones

866
00:33:06,729 --> 00:33:05,419
but just having spent so much time with

867
00:33:08,679 --> 00:33:06,739
the evidence and looking at the police

868
00:33:11,439 --> 00:33:08,689
reports and and everything else and the

869
00:33:13,749 --> 00:33:11,449
coroner's inquest that it's pretty hard

870
00:33:16,449 --> 00:33:13,759
to to come up with any other solid

871
00:33:18,069 --> 00:33:16,459
theories based on facts I guess I I want

872
00:33:20,349 --> 00:33:18,079
to come away from this kind of feel in

873
00:33:22,659 --> 00:33:20,359
the same way to Tyler but I mean it's

874
00:33:25,299 --> 00:33:22,669
hard there's so much mystery still

875
00:33:28,239 --> 00:33:25,309
wrapped around it and you know he was an

876
00:33:31,149 --> 00:33:28,249
enigmatic guy and we may never know what

877
00:33:32,369 --> 00:33:31,159
happened until he possibly comes back if

878
00:33:34,959 --> 00:33:32,379
that were the case

879
00:33:36,489 --> 00:33:34,969
absolutely but that being said to you I

880
00:33:38,159 --> 00:33:36,499
mean kind of the way the documentary

881
00:33:40,899 --> 00:33:38,169
ends with the you know family members

882
00:33:43,119 --> 00:33:40,909
kind of giving their final thoughts on

883
00:33:45,579 --> 00:33:43,129
what they think happened you are left

884
00:33:48,549 --> 00:33:45,589
thinking unfortunately that this guy

885
00:33:51,369 --> 00:33:48,559
either accidentally took his own life or

886
00:33:55,239 --> 00:33:51,379
or purposefully did it but like you said

887
00:33:57,549 --> 00:33:55,249
we just don't know in the whole the

888
00:34:00,249 --> 00:33:57,559
whole alien aspect behind all of it they

889
00:34:03,189 --> 00:34:00,259
were in contact or going to space it

890
00:34:04,959 --> 00:34:03,199
leaves us with promise and I think even

891
00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:04,969
one of the people in the phone says that

892
00:34:08,919 --> 00:34:07,039
like this note he left for his parents

893
00:34:11,619 --> 00:34:08,929
was just there was so much promise in it

894
00:34:15,129 --> 00:34:11,629
but Zach would I can't go with that so

895
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:15,139
it's it's hard to get in so many ways it

896
00:34:19,779 --> 00:34:17,690
is heartbreaking and it's also like for

897
00:34:21,129 --> 00:34:19,789
me and you know one of the hardest

898
00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:21,139
things about doing the documentary was

899
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:23,569
the family's reaction because the family

900
00:34:27,279 --> 00:34:25,970
was very split even on wanting to do the

901
00:34:28,809 --> 00:34:27,289
documentary there were people that

902
00:34:31,029 --> 00:34:28,819
didn't even are in it because I just

903
00:34:32,649 --> 00:34:31,039
didn't want to do it which is which is

904
00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:32,659
you know totally understandable it's a

905
00:34:35,889 --> 00:34:34,609
painful topic you know to to someone

906
00:34:38,379 --> 00:34:35,899
like myself for you who's an outsider

907
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:38,389
it's more of an interest in a story but

908
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:40,159
you know for these people this was a

909
00:34:42,850 --> 00:34:40,850
relative

910
00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:42,860
was a sibling this was a son or whatever

911
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:46,250
right so it was a lot more difficult to

912
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:47,930
see the family like I think some of them

913
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:49,970
want to just believe that he is at rest

914
00:34:54,670 --> 00:34:51,890
and he is gone while others were hanging

915
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:54,680
on to the notion that he may still come

916
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:56,450
back I mean the family property is still

917
00:35:00,370 --> 00:34:58,160
in the family and I think the person who

918
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:00,380
has it is kind of hoping that one day

919
00:35:05,410 --> 00:35:03,410
like maybe he will show up you know and

920
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:05,420
that's really sad in its own way it's

921
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:07,850
alright so yeah it is it is it is really

922
00:35:10,780 --> 00:35:09,290
really heartbreaking I think you're

923
00:35:12,610 --> 00:35:10,790
right though I think hanging on to that

924
00:35:14,740 --> 00:35:12,620
idea of you know because to me and I

925
00:35:16,030 --> 00:35:14,750
tried to do this in my CBC blog post but

926
00:35:18,670 --> 00:35:16,040
it was really really I was really burnt

927
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:18,680
out one day when they wanted me to write

928
00:35:21,130 --> 00:35:19,760
this it was like a week before the

929
00:35:22,930 --> 00:35:21,140
release of the documentary so I didn't

930
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:22,940
really have as much time as I'd like to

931
00:35:27,700 --> 00:35:25,010
flush it my actual thoughts on Granger

932
00:35:29,950 --> 00:35:27,710
but you know I was really trying to

933
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:29,960
wrestle with the idea of space being an

934
00:35:35,110 --> 00:35:33,200
open concept of like maybe Granger

935
00:35:37,210 --> 00:35:35,120
didn't see it so black and white like

936
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:37,220
some of us do where it's like spaces

937
00:35:42,070 --> 00:35:39,410
like we're you know black holes and

938
00:35:44,260 --> 00:35:42,080
planets are and maybe extraterrestrials

939
00:35:46,030 --> 00:35:44,270
but more maybe to him it was some sort

940
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:46,040
of new beginning you know maybe he had

941
00:35:50,260 --> 00:35:48,320
the sense that wherever he was going

942
00:35:51,670 --> 00:35:50,270
there might be more purpose in his life

943
00:35:52,810 --> 00:35:51,680
or there might be some greater good that

944
00:35:54,490 --> 00:35:52,820
he could do I don't know I mean it's a

945
00:35:56,260 --> 00:35:54,500
really abstract concept space to begin

946
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:56,270
with when you go beyond just the

947
00:36:00,580 --> 00:35:58,010
scientific kind of approach of you know

948
00:36:02,380 --> 00:36:00,590
what it what it is but because we don't

949
00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:02,390
know a lot about it we don't know a lot

950
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:04,730
about the afterlife if you were a three

951
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:07,970
is is one it's really hard to say you

952
00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:09,770
know what Granger was thinking and and

953
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:12,110
why but I do believe in Granger's mind

954
00:36:16,990 --> 00:36:13,930
there there was some philosophical

955
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:17,000
thinking going on around that just just

956
00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:19,610
given how eccentric and smart this guy

957
00:36:23,620 --> 00:36:22,250
was I can't see him being so black and

958
00:36:25,660 --> 00:36:23,630
white about it but I mean maybe that's

959
00:36:26,530 --> 00:36:25,670
just me holding on to hope you know

960
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:26,540
because we all Rusk

961
00:36:29,820 --> 00:36:27,890
wrestle with that question you know what

962
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:29,830
is the meaning and purpose of our lives

963
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:33,530
and I and I think that's maybe maybe

964
00:36:36,940 --> 00:36:35,450
maybe I've gone too far into the

965
00:36:38,620 --> 00:36:36,950
Granger's story where I'm starting to

966
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:38,630
believe that that's how deep Granger was

967
00:36:42,730 --> 00:36:40,130
a really maybe it was a lot simpler for

968
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:42,740
him I don't know but I guess that's kind

969
00:36:46,030 --> 00:36:44,450
of where I hold on to hope is that maybe

970
00:36:48,130 --> 00:36:46,040
he was really wrestling with the

971
00:36:50,710 --> 00:36:48,140
question of you know what is the purpose

972
00:36:52,900 --> 00:36:50,720
of life and you know what whatever he

973
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:52,910
chose to do was what he thought was his

974
00:36:57,630 --> 00:36:54,730
purpose and his

975
00:36:59,220 --> 00:36:57,640
the way that he wanted to end or start

976
00:37:02,220 --> 00:36:59,230
something anew I mean I don't know it's

977
00:37:03,870 --> 00:37:02,230
really difficult again it's just total

978
00:37:05,220 --> 00:37:03,880
conjecture but that's kind of what I

979
00:37:07,740 --> 00:37:05,230
wrestle with I guess with the Granger

980
00:37:08,849 --> 00:37:07,750
story is that is why did he do it you

981
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:08,859
know and that's cause so that's

982
00:37:12,810 --> 00:37:10,720
constantly what I think about yeah

983
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:12,820
absolutely man I mean one of my good

984
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:15,970
colleagues a podcaster named Jim Harold

985
00:37:22,140 --> 00:37:18,490
always says you know not everyone in

986
00:37:25,230 --> 00:37:22,150
their life is going to see a UFO or a

987
00:37:26,839 --> 00:37:25,240
spirit is going to visit them or you

988
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:26,849
know they're gonna see Bigfoot but

989
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:30,640
everyone dies everyone dies we all have

990
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:33,040
that in common and it's it's what you do

991
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:35,050
in that time and what meaning you give

992
00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:37,119
your life and what you think might come

993
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:39,310
next so I have to agree with you that

994
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:41,890
that that abstract concept of what might

995
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:44,530
be next and how will that affect what

996
00:37:49,980 --> 00:37:46,810
I'm doing right now that we can all

997
00:37:52,380 --> 00:37:49,990
relate to that so I totally get it

998
00:37:55,319 --> 00:37:52,390
and whatever Granger was thinking or

999
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:55,329
feeling he he probably was she's

1000
00:37:59,280 --> 00:37:57,130
probably wondering you know am I

1001
00:38:01,380 --> 00:37:59,290
actually gonna go into space or what is

1002
00:38:04,170 --> 00:38:01,390
that and yeah exactly

1003
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:04,180
fascinating it really is I mean he's

1004
00:38:10,290 --> 00:38:07,810
taught us so much in in this at least

1005
00:38:12,780 --> 00:38:10,300
that's what I took from the film is you

1006
00:38:14,819 --> 00:38:12,790
know what what does come next and how

1007
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:14,829
can we what can we take positive from

1008
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:18,010
this unfortunate story yeah and I think

1009
00:38:22,290 --> 00:38:20,530
I really glad that you found that deeper

1010
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:22,300
layer to the story because I think for a

1011
00:38:25,079 --> 00:38:23,410
lot of people and this is not a

1012
00:38:27,329 --> 00:38:25,089
judgement because I mean it is a story

1013
00:38:29,130 --> 00:38:27,339
that on a surface level is just very

1014
00:38:31,380 --> 00:38:29,140
intriguing on its own right like the

1015
00:38:33,089 --> 00:38:31,390
whole Granger saga is just from the

1016
00:38:34,770 --> 00:38:33,099
disappearance to the projects the

1017
00:38:36,540 --> 00:38:34,780
spaceship they call that is just

1018
00:38:38,130 --> 00:38:36,550
fascinating on its own but when you do

1019
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:38,140
peel away the first kind of surface

1020
00:38:42,780 --> 00:38:39,970
layer which I which only kind of

1021
00:38:45,089 --> 00:38:42,790
happened to me with the the process of

1022
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:45,099
doing the CBC dog was this whole other

1023
00:38:49,620 --> 00:38:47,170
layer that kind of was a lot deeper and

1024
00:38:51,510 --> 00:38:49,630
more nuanced in philosophy or I thought

1025
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:51,520
anyway and it's nice that someone like

1026
00:38:55,260 --> 00:38:53,050
yourself who has just seen the

1027
00:38:57,180 --> 00:38:55,270
documentary is taking that away as well

1028
00:38:58,650 --> 00:38:57,190
because that's really what you know

1029
00:39:00,870 --> 00:38:58,660
that's really where the crux of the

1030
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:00,880
story is for me you know I really

1031
00:39:03,690 --> 00:39:02,290
grappled with the idea of even writing a

1032
00:39:05,210 --> 00:39:03,700
book about this but I think the problem

1033
00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:05,220
with that from my perspective is that

1034
00:39:09,089 --> 00:39:07,569
it's - it's a real person

1035
00:39:11,759 --> 00:39:09,099
you know it's not this isn't an abstract

1036
00:39:13,469 --> 00:39:11,769
idea or a fictional story where you know

1037
00:39:16,589 --> 00:39:13,479
you can use allegory or certain sort of

1038
00:39:17,819 --> 00:39:16,599
literary styles to to to talk about your

1039
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:17,829
philosophy it's like this was a real

1040
00:39:21,989 --> 00:39:19,839
person and I would never want to do a

1041
00:39:24,150 --> 00:39:21,999
disservice to the family by you know

1042
00:39:26,099 --> 00:39:24,160
doing something that's going to to hurt

1043
00:39:28,319 --> 00:39:26,109
them or or you know turn in their eyes

1044
00:39:30,359 --> 00:39:28,329
tarnish the the memory they have of

1045
00:39:32,279 --> 00:39:30,369
Granger's so I think at this point I'm

1046
00:39:35,069 --> 00:39:32,289
pretty much you know just going to move

1047
00:39:36,959 --> 00:39:35,079
on to something else and you know let

1048
00:39:38,189 --> 00:39:36,969
that lie but it's it's still I come back

1049
00:39:39,089 --> 00:39:38,199
to it all the time I guess that's what

1050
00:39:42,809 --> 00:39:39,099
I'm trying to say is that there's

1051
00:39:44,910 --> 00:39:42,819
constantly that philosophical draw to to

1052
00:39:46,170 --> 00:39:44,920
know Granger's thoughts about life and

1053
00:39:48,539 --> 00:39:46,180
and you know the actions that he took

1054
00:39:52,049 --> 00:39:48,549
and what he did so yeah it's a rather

1055
00:39:54,089 --> 00:39:52,059
bold divides layer after layer really it

1056
00:39:55,410 --> 00:39:54,099
is it's one of those stories so I'm glad

1057
00:39:58,140 --> 00:39:55,420
you took that away when you when you saw

1058
00:40:00,120 --> 00:39:58,150
the documentary it was a great film I

1059
00:40:02,489 --> 00:40:00,130
highly suggest people check it out check

1060
00:40:05,549 --> 00:40:02,499
out your Vice article that really did

1061
00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:05,559
catapult all of this so um where where

1062
00:40:10,739 --> 00:40:07,569
can we find your Tyler and what are you

1063
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:10,749
doing these days man besides reliving

1064
00:40:18,390 --> 00:40:15,609
the Granger Taylor mystery you can find

1065
00:40:20,039 --> 00:40:18,400
my work well you can just go to vice and

1066
00:40:21,479 --> 00:40:20,049
Tyler Hooper you can search and the all

1067
00:40:23,339 --> 00:40:21,489
articles will come up I have a website

1068
00:40:26,370 --> 00:40:23,349
Tyler Hooper w.com

1069
00:40:28,259 --> 00:40:26,380
on Twitter at Ty Hooper eighths so you

1070
00:40:30,359 --> 00:40:28,269
can find a lot of stuff there if you're

1071
00:40:32,249 --> 00:40:30,369
in the u.s. I'm not sure how you can see

1072
00:40:33,779 --> 00:40:32,259
the documentary I think it is coming out

1073
00:40:37,259 --> 00:40:33,789
to the u.s. at some point but it's

1074
00:40:39,809 --> 00:40:37,269
available in Canada on the CBC POV Doc's

1075
00:40:41,819 --> 00:40:39,819
website but like I said I think they are

1076
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:41,829
planning to do a US release at some

1077
00:40:47,309 --> 00:40:44,650
point so I'll keep you dated on that but

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yeah I'm kind of I'm in a weird spot I

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00:40:50,819 --> 00:40:49,239
mean I was really strange for me I

1080
00:40:53,519 --> 00:40:50,829
started a new government job right after

1081
00:40:54,870 --> 00:40:53,529
the the documentary to CBC doc and

1082
00:40:57,299 --> 00:40:54,880
that's been taking up a lot of my time

1083
00:40:58,380 --> 00:40:57,309
and then I've been working on a few I've

1084
00:40:59,729 --> 00:40:58,390
been doing interviews about that the

1085
00:41:01,589 --> 00:40:59,739
Granger story which has been great

1086
00:41:04,289 --> 00:41:01,599
because it's kept it fresh and alive in

1087
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:04,299
my mind and then I'm kind of working on

1088
00:41:07,499 --> 00:41:05,890
something a little different now I've

1089
00:41:09,089 --> 00:41:07,509
been of a history buff and I've been

1090
00:41:11,549 --> 00:41:09,099
over the last few years researching the

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00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:11,559
shipwreck off the west coast of

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00:41:14,579 --> 00:41:12,910
Vancouver Island that's got some really

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00:41:16,589 --> 00:41:14,589
weird folklore and mythology

1094
00:41:19,730 --> 00:41:16,599
you know people claim it's a could go

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00:41:21,620 --> 00:41:19,740
ship now yeah and it's

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00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:21,630
it's very interesting in a lot of ways

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00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:23,280
so I'm calm playing with that and I

1098
00:41:28,490 --> 00:41:25,890
think actually I might I might actually

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00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:28,500
try doing a podcast on it and then maybe

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00:41:31,849 --> 00:41:29,760
try writing a book or something of that

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00:41:33,380 --> 00:41:31,859
nature but yeah I'm kind of in that

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00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:33,390
transitionary period I think any

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00:41:37,310 --> 00:41:35,130
creative person or anyone who needs

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00:41:39,530 --> 00:41:37,320
outputs on the side you go through those

1105
00:41:41,660 --> 00:41:39,540
phases where you know you're kind of

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00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:41,670
looking for the next thing to to get

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00:41:46,010 --> 00:41:44,490
sucked into you know so and then like

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00:41:47,570 --> 00:41:46,020
the Grainger you know the greatest shoot

1109
00:41:49,490 --> 00:41:47,580
was really intense I mean it was

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00:41:52,220 --> 00:41:49,500
basically 10 days straight almost a

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00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:52,230
feuding in long days and very very

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00:41:55,900 --> 00:41:54,240
emotional and very challenging a time so

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00:41:57,830 --> 00:41:55,910
it did drain a lot out of me and then

1114
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:57,840
you know just going through a lot of

1115
00:42:01,460 --> 00:41:59,280
personal life changes as well I mean

1116
00:42:03,230 --> 00:42:01,470
it's it's been a lot last few months so

1117
00:42:05,570 --> 00:42:03,240
I think I'm going on vacation this

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00:42:07,940 --> 00:42:05,580
Friday so I think once I get back from

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00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:07,950
that oh I'll have a better answer as to

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00:42:11,990 --> 00:42:10,170
what's next I'm still kind of I'm still

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00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:12,000
kind of got the pokers in the fire sort

1122
00:42:16,340 --> 00:42:13,770
of speaking and gonna see which one is

1123
00:42:18,500 --> 00:42:16,350
is the is the brightest or the hottest

1124
00:42:20,750 --> 00:42:18,510
and you know kind of go from there but

1125
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:20,760
but yeah I mean that's that's

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00:42:24,710 --> 00:42:22,410
essentially in I mean I would love to

1127
00:42:26,780 --> 00:42:24,720
find another story like Granger someday

1128
00:42:28,670 --> 00:42:26,790
I think the human interest pieces are

1129
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:28,680
some of the most fascinating ones and I

1130
00:42:31,609 --> 00:42:30,000
think you know when you write about

1131
00:42:34,310 --> 00:42:31,619
someone who's so unique I think a lot of

1132
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:34,320
people you know they don't maybe know it

1133
00:42:37,970 --> 00:42:35,490
but they can identify with that person

1134
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:37,980
in a strange way and it can it can

1135
00:42:41,870 --> 00:42:40,050
really lead to some some interesting

1136
00:42:43,700 --> 00:42:41,880
internal dialogue with yourself and

1137
00:42:45,290 --> 00:42:43,710
that's that's what I really enjoy so so

1138
00:42:48,530 --> 00:42:45,300
hopefully I'll you know I'll find

1139
00:42:51,730 --> 00:42:48,540
someone else to maybe study a little bit

1140
00:42:54,650 --> 00:42:51,740
at some point absolutely man well

1141
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:54,660
vacation well deserved and I can't wait

1142
00:42:58,790 --> 00:42:56,210
to see what you come up with next

1143
00:43:01,520 --> 00:42:58,800
whether it is the shipwreck or something

1144
00:43:04,310 --> 00:43:01,530
else these stories have so much mystery

1145
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:04,320
and and you know they're very alluring

1146
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:05,970
but at the end of the day when you strip

1147
00:43:10,340 --> 00:43:08,490
it away we're all humans searching for

1148
00:43:12,290 --> 00:43:10,350
meaning and I think that's what this

1149
00:43:15,050 --> 00:43:12,300
story really taught us so I got to thank

1150
00:43:17,300 --> 00:43:15,060
you for for really digging into this and

1151
00:43:17,930 --> 00:43:17,310
for coming on today and talking with us

1152
00:43:19,940 --> 00:43:17,940
about this

1153
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:19,950
no I really appreciate it and I really

1154
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:21,810
enjoyed it so Thank You Ryan for for

1155
00:43:26,570 --> 00:43:24,570
having me on and yeah I'd love to do it

1156
00:43:27,650 --> 00:43:26,580
another time with something else so you

1157
00:43:31,340 --> 00:43:27,660
know maybe I'll try and keep it in the

1158
00:43:31,980 --> 00:43:31,350
UFO alien themed corner so that I can

1159
00:43:33,660 --> 00:43:31,990
come back

1160
00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:33,670
and talk to your listeners about that so

1161
00:43:39,060 --> 00:43:36,400
I've actually hey I'm always willing to

1162
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:39,070
I stretch my muscles too so whatever

1163
00:43:43,020 --> 00:43:40,930
comes next uh this will not be the last

1164
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:43,030
time you're on somewhere in the skies so

1165
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:46,330
thank you again thank you that's it for

1166
00:43:51,900 --> 00:43:49,330
this week's episode a very special thank

1167
00:43:53,910 --> 00:43:51,910
you goes out to Micah Hanks for his

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00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:53,920
voiceover talents at the top of the

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00:43:59,790 --> 00:43:56,170
episode check out all of his work over

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00:44:04,280 --> 00:43:59,800
at Micah Hanks calm space man is

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00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:04,290
available to stream in Canada at cbc.ca

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00:44:09,839 --> 00:44:07,450
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